Schumi torna in F1!

[Pegasus83 0]

ma stai scherzando spero? schumacher allunga apposta la frenata per non fare passare hamilton...

 

Post dell'anno.

[KTM950SMR 3]

ma stai scherzando spero? schumacher allunga apposta la frenata per non fare passare hamilton...

 

proooooooonto, era una battuta la mia

[Beyond 6830]

Secondo Moss azioni come quelle di Schumacher dovrebbero essere punite con almeno 1 anno di stop...

 

I'm quite aware that Formula One has changed since my day but one thing that is never excusable is dirty driving. I was appalled to watch Michael Schumacher nearly drive Rubens Barrichello into the wall at the Hungarian Grand Prix and the photos show that he got within inches of causing a major accident.

 

He was punished with a 10-place grid penalty in Belgium, but for me that only proves that the FIA has got no teeth. In my view he should have been banned for a year, maybe more. If somebody had been coming out of the pits it could have been an enormous shunt and that kind of risk is inexcusable.

 

The irony is that the improvement in safety in our sport has created a devil-may-care attitude among some of the drivers. Schumacher was willing to push Barrichello into a wall at 180mph, but I can't believe that if you gave him a loaded gun he would consider shooting him. There is an underlying assumption that things will be OK, and for the most part they will be nowadays, but we are still talking about a concrete wall and a car travelling at very fast speeds.

 

I experienced dirty driving when I was racing, for example Nino Farina was very aggressive. He put me in a very compromising position in 1951 at Bari but I just backed off and it backfired on him; he ended up oversteering wide and lost more time than I did. Juan Manuel Fangio passed us both and I remember as he went by he was grinning because Farina's move had been silly and it hadn't paid off. That's the thing with these desperate moves, they seldom work.

 

But in the 1950s if you touched wheels with another car you were likely to be killed. As the cars became safer that attitude went out the window and of course that allowed drivers like Ayrton Senna to take bigger risks. I'm sure most readers will recall his actions at the Japanese Grand Prix in 1990 when he took out Alain Prost in the first corner. That sort of thing would have been unthinkable 30 years earlier, let alone accepted. Since then safety has improved markedly and with it the acceptance of dirty driving.

 

There is an argument that says if you discipline drivers then you discourage overtaking, but I don't see that as a good reason not to punish them appropriately. In my mind you're either a dirty driver or you're not, and the difference is quite obvious to anyone who understands the sport. What's more, I don't remember any dirty drivers who tidied up their act later in their career.

 

The other problem is that the money in the sport creates a win-at-all-costs mentality. There is no room for sportsmanship when drivers are getting paid millions and when the difference between winning and losing is so great. When I was driving the money was incidental by comparison, obviously you would look at the prize money when entering certain races and that might affect which races you took part in, but it didn't affect the way you drove at those races. I'm sure some of the drivers want to put on a good show nowadays but the sporting side of it went out of the window a long time ago.

 

The next race is the Italian Grand Prix at Monza and that is a perfect of example of a circuit that has become safer over the years. When I think of how dangerous that place used to be and how it is now, I'm not surprised the drivers take a few liberties. If a driver goes off knowing that he has got 20 metres of tarmac or a gravel trap to play with he is going to take risks. If there was a bloody great precipice there, the buggers wouldn't play around I can tell you.

 

Monza used to be such a demanding place, the old Curva Grande was a very, very difficult corner but of course that has been emasculated by putting a chicane ahead of it, spoiling it completely. In the modern era they also have the advantage of downforce, which is like having a hand pressing down on the car from above. The really fast corners often become part of the straights.

 

Back in the mid 1950s and early 1960s we also had the banking to contend with, and you had to set the car up for that by sacrificing the handling on the road part of the course. For the banking you needed much stiffer springs but that meant the car would slide a lot, making corners like the Curva Grande and Curva di Vialone (another emasculated corner and now the Ascari chicane) very difficult.

 

I remember driving a Maserati Eldorado Special (a converted 250F) there in 1958 at the Two Worlds Trophy and all of a sudden my arms crossed as I was going round the banking. I'm not stupid, I knew immediately that something had gone wrong and it later turned out that the steering had sheered. All I could do was put my foot on the brake, close my eyes and wait for the impact.

 

I knocked three of those great big posts out at the top of the banking and bent the Armco back quite a bit, but luckily I spun into the infield and that was it. Before I opened my eyes I remember thinking: "Well if this is hell it's hot and it's bloody dusty down here" but I soon realised that I'd survived with nothing more than a scratch.

 

Looking back, it was an awful accident because I knew there was nothing I could do to prevent the shunt. Normally you go into damage prevention mode and fight the car, but with no steering all I could do was slam on the brakes. That wasn't particularly reassuring because I was sure I was going to go over the top of the banking and if I had I would have been finished.

 

That kind of danger gave drivers something to think about before they did anything silly on the track.

[Beyond 6830]

bella questa

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylj5CzKPbMQ&feature=player_embedded

[Pegasus83 0]

Io gli annullerei anche i 7 Mondiali, oltre al conto in banca e la custodia dei figli.

[M.SchumyTheBest 642]

Magari se ne avesse fatta qualcuna lui ora avrebbe vinto almeno 1 mondiale.

[Beyond 6830]

la gara a spa.

da notare alla fine che per passarlo nico lo butta proprio fuori pista

 

http://rutube.ru/tracks/3553088.html?v=bc0ca493b8a9491f8fee7a3e0202c852

[Pegasus83 0]

Magari se ne avesse fatta qualcuna lui ora avrebbe vinto almeno 1 mondiale.

 

Tutto per una manovra che, per quanto dura, criticabile ed esagerata, non ha portato nemmeno ad una toccata come altre.

 

Poi siamo sempre l?, con tutto lo spazio che barrichello aveva a sinistra (visto che schumacher dall'inizio della griglia aveva iniziato a spostarsi a destra linearmente), poteva passare l? invece di andarsi a infilare in un imbuto e uscendo dalla linea di pista (se ci fosse stata l'erba non ci sarebbe andato)

[lucaf2000 1635]

Magari se ne avesse fatta qualcuna lui ora avrebbe vinto almeno 1 mondiale.

 

[The King of Spa 637]

[frank312f1 0]

Magari se ne avesse fatta qualcuna lui ora avrebbe vinto almeno 1 mondiale.

certo moss ha esagerato. forse parla così perchè una manovra del genere ai suoi tempi poteva costare caro per i piloti ma anche per il pubblico

Modificato 8 Settembre, 2010 da frank312f1

[M.SchumyTheBest 642]

La mia chiaramente era una battuta. Dico solo che quando si parla di ms si esagera sempre; adesso addirittura 1 anno di squalifica? Perchè non la prigione? E' stato punito (imho in maniera equa). Stop. Cosa c'è ancora da (stra)parlare? Siamo in f1, non all'asilo Giuseppina.

Modificato 8 Settembre, 2010 da M.SchumyTheBest

[Pegasus83 0]

Siamo in f1, non all'asilo Giuseppina.

 

Povera Mariuccia

[frank312f1 0]

La mia chiaramente era una battuta. Dico solo che quando si parla di ms si esagera sempre; adesso addirittura 1 anno di squalifica? Perch? non la prigione? E' stato punito (imho in maniera equa). Stop. Cosa c'? ancora da (stra)parlare? Siamo in f1, non all'asilo Giuseppina.

scusa non avevo capito che era una battuta.

per il resto concordo.

[altafollia 21]

Tutto per una manovra che, per quanto dura, criticabile ed esagerata, non ha portato nemmeno ad una toccata come altre.

 

Poi siamo sempre l?, con tutto lo spazio che barrichello aveva a sinistra (visto che schumacher dall'inizio della griglia aveva iniziato a spostarsi a destra linearmente), poteva passare l? invece di andarsi a infilare in un imbuto e uscendo dalla linea di pista (se ci fosse stata l'erba non ci sarebbe andato)

Concordo

 

Mi ricordo male o per una manovra simile dello scorso anno proprio a Monza ai danni di Fisichella non ci fu tutto sto casino???

[Pegasus83 0]

Concordo

 

Mi ricordo male o per una manovra simile dello scorso anno proprio a Monza ai danni di Fisichella non ci fu tutto sto casino???

 

Era stato Vettel mi pare, al Serraglio

[altafollia 21]

Era stato Vettel mi pare, al Serraglio

Ecco, posticino alquanto pericoloso...

Modificato 8 Settembre, 2010 da altafollia

[KTM950SMR 3]

Mamma mia ok che sono prove libere ma ... che disastro Schumacher

Il suo compagno vola e lui affonda ... che tristezza vederlo così in basso.

Ho idea che a fine anno si ritiri ! :unsure:

Si prende 1.5 dal suo compagno

Modificato 10 Settembre, 2010 da KTM950SMR

[The King of Spa 637]

Ha fatto record nel primo settore e s'? fermato.

[KTM950SMR 3]

Ha fatto record nel primo settore e s'? fermato.

 

Oh era una battuta la mia, lo scrivo prima che qualcuno ci creda !

 

Hanno praticamente le velocit? maggiori le Mercedes...stranissimo ceh abbia fatto il record nel primo e si sia fermato. Bho !