2014.01 | Gran Premio d'Australia - Melbourne [Gara - Commenti]

[KimiSanton 4668]

Alla luce dei pochi km nei test, dei problemi di adattamento alla vettura e altri piccoli inconvenienti ci sta tutto il distacco. Siamo alla prima gara, tutto (ma proprio tutto) può succedere.

[Erri Potta 68]

ot ma il forum va lento pure a voi?

 

Problemi di consumo di carburante.

Modificato 16 Marzo, 2014 da Erri Potta

[Illy 5556]

[sterla 849]

Ha chiuso quasi 23 secondi dietro Alonso, non penso che abbia perso 23 secondi ai box!

Ha girato quasi 1 secondo più lento di Alonso nel fine gara

 

Sai com'è è stato tutto il finale della gara dietro a vergne...

nel fine gara a parte che era dietro a vergne poi quando l'ha passato hulkenberg ormai era lontanissimo e quindi non serviva a nulla spingere

[Max Payne 88]

Ha chiuso quasi 23 secondi dietro Alonso, non penso che abbia perso 23 secondi ai box!

Ha girato quasi 1 secondo più lento di Alonso nel fine gara

Su una durata di gara di un ora e venti, mettendoci che sul finale Alonso aveva pista libera, direi nulla di sconcertante. Non dico fisiologico, ma visto l'andazzo del weekend e il calvario nel vederlo seduto in macchina, direi che siamo entro la decenza ancora.

 

Non penso che ne la Ferrari, ne lo stesso Raikkonen, considerino questo weekend positivo. Ma nemmeno Alonso credo abbia tanto da compiacersi.

[sterla 849]

ma io non ho capito una cosa, se ricciardo ha consumato più benzina vuol dire che nel serbatoio ne aveva più di 100kg, e quindi se uno parte con più di 100kg di benzina è automatico che sarebbe squalificato perchè sarebbe stupido partire con più peso...

[Illy 5556]

ma io non ho capito una cosa, se ricciardo ha consumato più benzina vuol dire che nel serbatoio ne aveva più di 100kg, e quindi se uno parte con più di 100kg di benzina è automatico che sarebbe squalificato perchè sarebbe stupido partire con più peso...

 

chi lo dice? uno può consumare di più di un altro pur avendo lo stesso quantitativo di benzina

 

[sterla 849]

si ma se consuma di più sfora i 100kg a parte che non consumi meno in un'altro frangente (il che è possibile ma mi sembra strano)

[NeoN 255]

Su eurosport danno la squalifica come ufficiale...

[Beyond 6843]

si ma se consuma di più sfora i 100kg a parte che non consumi meno in un'altro frangente (il che è possibile ma mi sembra strano)

 

ti sei risposto da solo

mica da 100 passano a 150kg/h per cui quando va piu lento è una lumaca, sono piccolezze che però possono andare oltre il regolamento

[Magic 16]

AS dice che i Commissari Tecnici hanno rilevato un costante flusso di carburante sup ai 100kg/h, che è il max. La cosa grave, dicono, è proprio quel "costante".

Modificato 16 Marzo, 2014 da Magic

[KimiSanton 4668]

Antonio Boselli riporta che la decisione dovrebbe arrivare "soon". Il problema è quanto è "soon" per la FIA.

UFFICIALE: Ricciardo squalificato.

[PeterXXX 330]

Mi dispiace, oggi aveva meritato.

[KimiSanton 4668]

Davvero peccato per lui, esente da ogni colpa. Si rifarà, ne sono certo. Keep pushing Dan!

[SpadaJones 60]

Ha fatto comunque una grande gara

[KimiSanton 4668]

Red Bull to appeal against Ricciardo's disqualification.

[jeremy.clarkson 277]

The Stewards, having received a report from the Technical Delegate, heard from the team representatives, have considered the following matter and determine a breach of the regulations has been committed by the competitor named below and impose the penalty referred to.

N° / Driver 3, Daniel Ricciardo

Competitor Infinity Red Bull Racing

Time 20:17

Session Race

Facts Car 3 was not in compliance with Article 5.1.4 of the FIA Formula One Technical Regulations.

Offence Breach of Article 3.2 of the FIA Formula One Sporting Regulations and Article 5.1.4 of the FIA Formula One Technical Regulations.

Decision Car 3 is excluded from the Race Results.

Reason

1) The Technical Delegate reported to the Stewards that Car 3 exceeded the required fuel mass flow of 100kg/h. (Article 5.1.4 of the Formula One Technical Regulations)

2) This parameter is outside of the control of the driver, Daniel Ricciardo.

3) The fuel flow is measured using the fuel flow sensor (Art. 5.10.3 & 5.10.4 of the Technical Regulations) which is homologated by the FIA and owned and operated by the team.

4) The stewards considered the history of the fitted fuel flow sensor, as described by the team and the Technical Delegate’s representative who administers the program. Their description of the history of the sensor matches.

a. During Practice 1 a difference in reading between the first three and Run 4 was detected. The same readings as Run 4 were observed throughout Practice 2.

b. The team used a different sensor on Saturday but did not get readings that were satisfactory to them or the FIA, so they were instructed to change the sensor within Parc Ferme on Saturday night.

c. They operated the original sensor during the race, which provided the same readings as Run 4 of Practice 1, and Practice 2.

5) The Stewards heard from the technical representative that when the sensor was installed on Saturday night, he instructed the team to apply an offset to their fuel flow such that the fuel flow would have been legal. He presented an email to the stewards that verified his instruction.

6) The technical representative stated to the Stewards that there is variation in the sensors. However, the sensors fall within a known range, and are individually calibrated. They then become the standard which the teams must use for their fuel flow.

7) The team stated that based on the difference observed between the two readings in P1, they considered the fuel flow sensor to be unreliable. Therefore, for the start of the race they chose to use their internal fuel flow model, rather than the values provided by the sensor, with the required offset.

8) Technical Directive 016­14 (1 March 2014) provides the methodology by which the sensor will be used, and, should the sensor fail, the method by which the alternate model could be used.

a. The Technical Directive starts by stating: “The homologated fuel flow sensor will be the primary measurement of the fuel flow and will be used to check compliance with Articles 5.1.4 and 5.1.5 of the F1 Technical Regulations…” This is in conformity with Articles 5.10.3 and 5.10.4 of the Technical Regulations.

b. The Technical Directive goes on to state: “If at any time WE consider that the sensor has an issue which has not been detected by the system WE will communicate this to the team concerned and switch to a backup system” (emphasis added.)

c. The backup system is the calculated fuel flow model with a correction factor decided by the FIA.

9) The FIA technical representative observed thought the telemetry during the race that the fuel flow was too high and contacted the team, giving them the opportunity to follow his previous instruction, and reduce the fuel flow such that it was within the limit, as measured by the homologated sensor – and thus gave the team the opportunity to be within compliance. The team chose not to make this correction.

10) Under Art. 3.2 of the Sporting Regulations it is the duty of the team to ensure compliance with the Technical Regulations throughout the Event.

Thus the Stewards find that:

A) The team chose to run the car using their fuel flow model, without direction from the FIA. This is a violation of the procedure within TD/ 016­14.

B) That although the sensor showed a difference in readings between runs in P1, it remains the homologated and required sensor against which the team is obliged to measure their fuel flow, unless given permission by the FIA to do otherwise.

C) The Stewards were satisfied by the explanation of the technical representative that by making an adjustment as instructed, the team could have run within the allowable fuel flow.

D) That regardless of the team’s assertion that the sensor was fault, it is not within their discretion to run a different fuel flow measurement method without the permission of the FIA.

 

The Stewards find that Car 3 was out of compliance with the Technical Regulations and is therefore excluded from the results of the race.

 

[joseki 1227]

Con un comunicato del genere secondo me hanno poco da fare appello.

 

7) The team stated that based on the difference observed between the two readings in P1, they considered the fuel flow sensor to be unreliable. Therefore, for the start of the race they chose to use their internal fuel flow model, rather than the values provided by the sensor, with the required offset.

 

9) The FIA technical representative observed thought the telemetry during the race that the fuel flow was too high and contacted the team, giving them the opportunity to follow his previous instruction, and reduce the fuel flow such that it was within the limit, as measured by the homologated sensor – and thus gave the team the opportunity to be within compliance. The team chose not to make this correction.

 

 

 

 

Complimenti alla Red Bull, una idiozia totale.

Modificato 16 Marzo, 2014 da joseki

[SpadaJones 60]

Se è così hanno ben poco da far ricorso

[jeremy.clarkson 277]

visto quello che è riportato nel punto 9 sembra che alla Redbull siano un po' masochisti