L'illegalissima Ferrari SF71-H

[SebMat 815]

Anche senza pioggia l'asfalto sporco e senza grip non dovrebbe dare grosse indicazioni, almeno sui tempi, credo saranno fondamentali le terze prove libere più che altro. Comunque sono fiducioso su questo aggiornamento, se portano novità così importanti già al terzo GP della stagione significa che sapevano da tempo le aree dove bisognava migliorare, e sono abbastanza sicuri a Maranello che queste novità funzioneranno nell'immediato. Di solito i primi grossi aggiornamenti si portano a Barcellona.

[Ruberekus 12261]

da AMuS

 

Fuel consumption has risen significantly in all this year. Because the drive units deliver the same amount of power despite the longer running times. And the cars have up to five percent more downforce. As a rule, this also means more air resistance. The top speeds have dropped compared to last year. This means more time on the straights, more time under full load and thus a higher consumption. The engine technicians have calculated that on the critical routes would need 109 instead of 105 kilograms to get through carefree.

So far it is not clear who is affected. Renault seems to hit hardest. The Renault drivers had in Melbourne even after seven laps under safety-car conditions to take the foot off the gas. In Bahrain even Honda made a better figure. Ferrari operated in Bahrain more lift and coast than Mercedes. However, an engineer from the silver camp warns: "We drove there most of the time in the slipstream. This helps."

Mercedes has another problem, you can hear under the hand. The cars with Mercedes engines are not as fast on the straights as they should be. This has supposedly to do with the oil specification. We hear that Petronas dug up a 2016 oil grade to be on the safe side with oil consumption. Until the beginning of the season, the oil consumption of Mercedes and Ferrari was only 0.01 liters below the permitted limit of 0.6 liters per 100 kilometers.

After the oil correction, Mercedes should be on the safe side when it comes to oil consumption. But that also costs power. Ferrari is obviously still full risk just below the pain threshold. And it benefits relative to the competition. No wonder that Mercedes engine chief Andy Cowell says: "In qualifying Ferrari and we are on par." So far, this was the domain of the Mercedes engine.

The oil theme could boil up soon. The opponents of Ferrari are trying to find out why the Ferrari engine in the factory car smokes so much when starting. And even when driving smokes more than the other Ferrari teams. Should not all engines of a manufacturer be the same this year?

Some suspect some trick behind that will allow Ferrari to add oil to the combustion process. Meanwhile, it is also known how the oil tricksters have practiced in the past. A gasket in the compressor of the turbocharger was carefully constructed "leaking" so that a pre-calculated amount of oil could enter the combustion chamber.

Wastegate helps aerodynamics

Why is it smoking from the rear?

The top teams send their spies everywhere. Since photographing the competing product in the pit lane looks almost antiquated. The top teams work with high-speed cameras, which show the vehicle in action in every detail. So Mercedes has discovered last year that Ferrari has forcibly controlled the passage of air through the front axle on the straights with a valve.

In Bahrain, Mercedes spotters have heard that the Ferrari engine in the cars of Sebastian Vettel and Kimi Raikkonen when accelerating significantly changes the pitch. Also in comparison to the customer teams HaasF1 and Sauber.

The resolution of the puzzle was not long in coming. Ferrari refrains in the qualifying rounds when Rausbeschleunigen on it with the MGU-H produce electricity to blow it over the wastegate valve to the rear wing. That makes a few points down, but better than nothing. In the qualifying rounds, the refusal to charge the battery does not bother, because it is already full at the beginning of the round.

 

 

due considerazioni

 

1 menomale che a Barcellona la Ferrari beveva più di un veneto, ora si scopre che in realtà Renault e messa peggio e la Mercedes non è così tranquilla

 

2 sono sempre più convinto che in Ferrari dovrebbero trovare il modo per non sparare tutto quel fumo in pitlane (non basterebbe aspirarlo con una pompa e mandarlo in un serbatoio a pressione ?), o gli altri cominceranno a piangere e protestare.

[Aerozack 2161]

Lo stanno già facendo... Certo che una Ferrari così all'avanguardia non la si vedeva da tempo

[SebMat 815]

Addirittura Honda meglio del Renault in quanto a consumi? Non ci credo neanche se lo vedo... Pazzesco comunque come Ferrari abbia accorciato il gap con Mercedes in così poco tempo.

[LuigiQ 898]

Confermati a quanto leggo fondo e diffusore nuovo per le fp1

 

Oggi alle verifiche però non mi pare si sia visto nulla di diverso dal Bahrain o sbaglio?

[Mishima 370]

Ma secondo me anche l'anno passato non c'era tutta questa differenza di motore. La grossa differenza in termini di velocità massima era rappresentata dal diverso drag delle due vetture, concepite in modo diametralmente opposto

[KimiSanton 4668]

 

Confermate le branchie. Il fondo penso si vedrà domani (se c'è, ovvio).

[SebMat 815]

Il salto di cui parlavo era dal 2016 al 2017, quest'anno il vero miglioramento sarebbe non avere più problemi di affidabilità e una migliore gestione dei consumi.

 

Domani probabilmente monteranno il fondo nuovo su una macchina e quello vecchio sull'altro, per fare prove comparative, quindi penso che per oggi non vedremo nulla.

[The King of Spa 637]

Addirittura Honda meglio del Renault in quanto a consumi? Non ci credo neanche se lo vedo... Pazzesco comunque come Ferrari abbia accorciato il gap con Mercedes in così poco tempo.

 

 

 

anche come compattezza (mi pare), non era malvagio il progetto, se solo avesse funzionato in mclaren perchè adesso sembra.......

 

The cars with Mercedes engines are not as fast on the straights as they should be. This has supposedly to do with the oil specification.

 

 

 

da AMuS

 

Fuel consumption has risen significantly in all this year. Because the drive units deliver the same amount of power despite the longer running times. And the cars have up to five percent more downforce. As a rule, this also means more air resistance. The top speeds have dropped compared to last year. This means more time on the straights, more time under full load and thus a higher consumption. The engine technicians have calculated that on the critical routes would need 109 instead of 105 kilograms to get through carefree.

So far it is not clear who is affected. Renault seems to hit hardest. The Renault drivers had in Melbourne even after seven laps under safety-car conditions to take the foot off the gas. In Bahrain even Honda made a better figure. Ferrari operated in Bahrain more lift and coast than Mercedes. However, an engineer from the silver camp warns: "We drove there most of the time in the slipstream. This helps."

Mercedes has another problem, you can hear under the hand. The cars with Mercedes engines are not as fast on the straights as they should be. This has supposedly to do with the oil specification. We hear that Petronas dug up a 2016 oil grade to be on the safe side with oil consumption. Until the beginning of the season, the oil consumption of Mercedes and Ferrari was only 0.01 liters below the permitted limit of 0.6 liters per 100 kilometers.

After the oil correction, Mercedes should be on the safe side when it comes to oil consumption. But that also costs power. Ferrari is obviously still full risk just below the pain threshold. And it benefits relative to the competition. No wonder that Mercedes engine chief Andy Cowell says: "In qualifying Ferrari and we are on par." So far, this was the domain of the Mercedes engine.

The oil theme could boil up soon. The opponents of Ferrari are trying to find out why the Ferrari engine in the factory car smokes so much when starting. And even when driving smokes more than the other Ferrari teams. Should not all engines of a manufacturer be the same this year?

Some suspect some trick behind that will allow Ferrari to add oil to the combustion process. Meanwhile, it is also known how the oil tricksters have practiced in the past. A gasket in the compressor of the turbocharger was carefully constructed "leaking" so that a pre-calculated amount of oil could enter the combustion chamber.

Wastegate helps aerodynamics

Why is it smoking from the rear?

The top teams send their spies everywhere. Since photographing the competing product in the pit lane looks almost antiquated. The top teams work with high-speed cameras, which show the vehicle in action in every detail. So Mercedes has discovered last year that Ferrari has forcibly controlled the passage of air through the front axle on the straights with a valve.

In Bahrain, Mercedes spotters have heard that the Ferrari engine in the cars of Sebastian Vettel and Kimi Raikkonen when accelerating significantly changes the pitch. Also in comparison to the customer teams HaasF1 and Sauber.

The resolution of the puzzle was not long in coming. Ferrari refrains in the qualifying rounds when Rausbeschleunigen on it with the MGU-H produce electricity to blow it over the wastegate valve to the rear wing. That makes a few points down, but better than nothing. In the qualifying rounds, the refusal to charge the battery does not bother, because it is already full at the beginning of the round.

 

 

due considerazioni

 

1 menomale che a Barcellona la Ferrari beveva più di un veneto, ora si scopre che in realtà Renault e messa peggio e la Mercedes non è così tranquilla

 

2 sono sempre più convinto che in Ferrari dovrebbero trovare il modo per non sparare tutto quel fumo in pitlane (non basterebbe aspirarlo con una pompa e mandarlo in un serbatoio a pressione ?), o gli altri cominceranno a piangere e protestare.

 

Modificato 12 Aprile, 2018 da The King of Spa

[crucco 4267]

Perché non è stato tradotto Rausbeschleunigen? Significa accelerare in uscita (da una curva).

[Ruberekus 12261]

stanno provando l'ala a cucchiaio (forse per Baku)

 

 

 

Procedure pit stop modificate

 

https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/ferrari-ci-sono-nuovi-led-sulle-pistole-del-pit-stop-della-rossa-1025475/

Modificato 13 Aprile, 2018 da Ruberekus

[The-Flying-Finn 4631]

Direi che la macchina si conferma ottima anche in Cina.

[Mishima 370]

Seb non ancora soddisfatto del set up

[Ruberekus 12261]

potrebbe anche essere vista come una buona notizia, nel senso che c'è spazio per migliorare ed è comunque lì

 

nel giro veloce ha avuto traffico come Raikkonen, entrambi potevano esser davanti a Hamilton (che d'altra parte ha fatto un paio di errori al T3)

 

 

EDIT intanto è confermato che la centralina di Vettel non ha subito danni ed è stata cambiata solo per precauzione.

Modificato 13 Aprile, 2018 da Ruberekus

[Ruberekus 12261]

"We have a procedure to ensure the pitstops during the race are done as safely as possible.

"In this case we have three factors: human control [the pit crew members], mechanical [the wheel gun] and an electronic device [a sensor to determine a properly attached wheel]."

 

Quote

Arrivabene said this led to the "mishandling of the rear left" as it was "not perfectly read by the electronic device, which gave the green light".

Autosport understands the system is designed to check whether a wheel is securely fitted and whether the wheel gun has been sufficiently active.

As the old wheel was not removed, and the gun was disengaged and then re-engaged to try again, the system registered it as a completed wheel change and gave Raikkonen the green light.

Arrivabene said Ferrari would ensure this cannot happen again, stressing that "it's in our interest, because we care about our people before anything else".

The exact solution is unknown, but it is believed Ferrari has modified how it uses sensors during the process to ensure the system can recognise if a wheel has not actually been changed.

 

 

Se è veramente così è un errore mica da poco per chi ha programmato il codice.

[LuigiQ 898]

Perdura il mistero sul fondo?

È leggenda ormai😂

[Illy 5556]

 

[SF71H 408]

Oggi non ho potuto seguire, ma domani sveglia presto e seguiro' le qualifiche.

A sensazione MB e Ferrari molto vicine anche qui, la strategia di gara risulterà determinante forse ancor piu' dello scorso GP.

[SebMat 815]

Nel Q3 solitamente la Mercedes tira giù quei 2-3 decimi necessari per partite in pole, sarebbe comunque confortante avere una Ferrari molto vicina con entrambi i piloti.

 

L'anno scorso comunque l'ala a cucchiaio ha sempre dato grossi grattacapi alla rossa con un posteriore troppo ballerino, quest'anno invece non dovrebbe creare problemi perchè ben si adatta al resto della macchina.

[Graga 163]

Le rosse stanno giocando ....domani si vola.....