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ha parlato il giovincello...

il bue che dice cornuto all'asino, è proprio una persona misera.

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ROOOOOOTFL

 

vi prego, leggetelo perch? merita.

in questo articolo ci sono delle perle mica da ridere. della serie "scriviamo tanto per fare anche noi un articolo sull'argomento , poi chissenefrega se spariamo fesserie" :asd:

 

http://www.ilsole24ore.com/art/notizie/2012-11-30/bull-storia-avvincente-crescita-121631.shtml?uuid=Ab4Qsp7G

 

Miracolo Red Bull: dietro i successi di Vettel un impero economico in continua crescita

 

di Alex D'Agosta 30 novembre 2012

 

 

 

Il "backstraight" di Abu Dhabi, la Descida do Lago (curva 4) a Interlagos sono due luoghi e due momenti che hanno sancito la vittoria di Vettel anzich? quella di Alonso nel mondiale 2012. Perch? ha avuto pi? fortuna e mestiere, nonostante il "botto" con Ricciardo e con Senna nel rimettersi in carreggiata con un'auto che, anche se forse un po' meno performante, poteva ancora marciare a un buon passo. Lo stesso destino poi ha voluto che fosse Di Resta e non Button a scivolare su una pozzanghera sul finale: se fosse successo, Alonso avrebbe guadagnato la testa della corsa e quei punti in pi? sufficienti per finire davanti.

La sorte, quindi, ha inciso molto sui mondiali di Vettel che, eccetto il 2011, sono stati decisi tutti sul finale di stagione. Escludendo quando lo ha perso, nel 2009, dove la F60 si ? dimostrata la rossa peggiore dell'ultimo decennio e Button ha iniziato a dominare sin dalle prime gare, grazie a un vantaggio progettuale significativo e molto, molto discusso.

 

 

 

 

Ma ci? non toglie che dietro a Vettel ci sia stato e ci sia sempre non una semplice squadra, ma un universo economico e sportivo capace di garantirgli serenit? finanziaria e psicologica. Che non bada a spese per quanto possibile e offre un ambiente unico nello sport attuale.

Si tratta di un impero di nome Red Bull che si fonda sulla ricchezza di una bevanda poco conosciuta fino a una quindicina di anni fa. Ambrata, brillante e gassata, la celebre bibita energetica concepita per stanchi camionisti asiatici, ha iniziato a essere commercializzata in Europa dal geniale Dietrich Mateschitz a partire dall'Austria, e all'inizio dello scorso decennio aveva gi? provato quasi tutto nel mondo degli sport di fatica ed estremi per emergere commercialmente fra i giovani.

Ed ? con i giovani che ha trovato il suo successo in Formula 1: ? infatti con una promessa qual ? stata Sebastian Vettel che sono arrivati sul punto pi? alto del mondo di Ecclestone. Non tutti i loro esordienti, ? vero, hanno fanno i fuochi d'artificio, ma i risultati degli ultimi tre anni bastano ampiamente per ripagare gli sforzi.

In principio l'operazione poteva quasi essere derisa e, di certo, per molti anni non ? stata temuta dai big. Non poteva essere presa sul serio da subito perch? a fine 2004 avevano rilevato per un solo dollaro la Jaguar, a sua volte nata dalle ceneri della non troppo fortunata Stewart Grand Prix. Un team "scarso", salito solo sul gradino pi? basso del podio una volta con Barrichello nel 1999, sotto la guida del grande Jackie, e due volte con Irvine, nel 2001 e nel 2002, con l'effige del costruttore di berline sportive.

Da sempre motorizzate Cosworth, il pi? celebre dei costruttori a non aver mai vinto nulla, le monoposto di Milton Keynes con i colori Red Bull hanno corso la prima stagione nel 2005 con gli stessi propulsori facendo alternare Coulthard, Klien e Liuzzi: un'annata chiusa settima fra i costruttori, dove per? grazie all'inglese proveniente dalla McLaren riesce a strappare un quarto posto all'esordio e in un'altra gara.

 

:rotfl: :rotfl:

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Sebastian Vettel versus Fernando Alonso again at AUTOSPORT Awards

 

Sebastian Vettel and Fernando Alonso will resume their rivalry at tonight's AUTOSPORT Awards in London.

 

Both men staged remarkable Formula 1 title challenges over the course of 2012, with Vettel finally prevailing in a wild and dramatic Brazilian Grand Prix finale.

 

They are both leading contenders in the International Racing Driver of the Year category, although they also face competition from McLaren pair Lewis Hamilton and Jenson Button, plus comeback king Kimi Raikkonen.

 

Button won last year's British Competition Driver of the Year prize and will be up against team-mate Hamilton again in this category. Rob Huff will also be a contender after his World Touring Car Championship title.

 

The AUTOSPORT.com Rookie of the Year award pitches top F1 newcomers Daniel Ricciardo, Romain Grosjean and Jean-Eric Vergne against each other. Their rivals include rising star Robin Frijns, Formula 2's teenage sensation Matheo Tuscher, and GP2 ace James Calado, plus IndyCar's Simon Pagenaud.

 

Other categories include International Racing Car of the Year and International Rally Driver of the Year, while the evening ends with the announcement of the winner of this year's McLaren AUTOSPORT BRDC Award, which will involve one of six young British drivers receiving a McLaren F1 test and a £100,000 prize.

 

You can follow the 2012 AUTOSPORT Awards Live on AUTOSPORT.com from 21:30 GMT.

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Button pilota inglese dell'anno secondo autosport....che si sono fumati ? :asd:

Edited by Ruberekus

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Montezemolo si fa avanti contro Ecclestone che aveva criticato la Ferrari:

 

http://f1grandprix.motorionline.com/montezemolo-una-ferrari-sempre-in-alto/

 

 

 

E vvvai, io direi che e' proprio venuta l'ora per Ecclestone di passare la mano.

 

 

 

 

Regards,

The frog

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Tra l'articolo di quel co....insigne giornalista, Autosport che elegge Button pilota inglese dell'anno e Montezemolo che si sente ggiovane e rivuole i test...mai letto tante str****te in un sol colpo...

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Non seguito bene la vicenda ma se Ecclestone ha criticato la richiesta di spiegazioni della Ferrari allora Montezemolo ha fatto bene a rispondergli

 

era chiaro che la Ferrari ha fatto richiesta solo per avere una risposta ufficiale che mettesse a tacere tutti i flame che si stavano generando.

 

Per quanto riguarda i test sono d'accordo con voi, si doveva svegliare prima.

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era chiaro che la Ferrari ha fatto richiesta solo per avere una risposta ufficiale che mettesse a tacere tutti i flame che si stavano generando.

 

 

Missione compiuta, direi... :rotfl:

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Patto della Concordia, tutto tace alla Marussia

 

Graeme Lowdon, Chief Executive Officer della Marussia, ha confermato che il team inglese – con licenza russa – non ha ancora firmato il nuovo Patto della Concordia. L’attuale accordo scadrà il 31 dicembre 2012 e tutti i team sembrano ormai aver posto la firma su quel famosissimo fascicolo dai contenuti riservatissimi.

 

Con la HRT fuori dai giochi per il 2013, c’è grande apprensione per il futuro delle piccole squadre. La Caterham è ora considerata ad un livello superiore, anche grazie al decimo posto conquistato quest’anno che porterà altri fondi al team di Fernandes. La partnership con Renault, ampliata anche alle vetture stradali, sembra aver dato nuova linfa anche al team di F1.

 

Il Direttore Sportivo della Marussia ha però insistito sul fatto che, allo stato attuale, non c’è nessun rischio di non vedere la squadra al via del prossimo Mondiale. “Il non aver ancora firmato non dipende certo da noi. Al momento non ci è stato presentato nessun Concorde Agreement, ma non so perché. Dovreste chiedere a Ecclestone”, ha spiegato.

 

Lowdon ha concluso dicendo: “E’ strano comunque che certe squadre abbiano un accordo, mentre altre non ancora. Sarebbe una buona domanda da fare a chi detiene i diritti commerciali o alla FIA”.

 

La FIA riunita in Turchia modifica ancora il regolamento 2013

 

Si è tenuto a Istanbul nella giornata di mercoledì l’ultimo incontro della FIA del 2012.

 

Diverse le modifiche al regolamento tecnico/sportivo che saranno operative dalla prossima stagione. Innanzitutto verranno effettuati test più stringenti a livello flessione dell’ala anteriore, verrà aumentato il peso minimo consentito in conseguenza a quello maggiore degli pneumatici, non si potrà più attribuire a cause di forza maggiore lo stop in pista al termine delle qualifiche e per motivi di sicurezza l’uso del DRS nelle prove verrà consentito solo nei punti concessi anche in gara.

 

Infine per quanto riguarda il calendario, il Gp di Germania è stato fissato al 7 luglio, mentre il 21 dello stesso mese si correrà sempre in Europa ma in località ancora da decidere.

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2013 & 2014 Regulation Changes (WMSC Meeting 05/12/12)

 

The last 2012 meeting of the World Motor Sport Council took place today (05/12/12) in Istanbul. The following pertains to the alterations relative to F1 and I have Italicised my notes alongside:

 

2013 F1 Technical Regulations

 

More stringent front wing deflection tests have been introduced - In response to further developments regarding flexing Front Wings the FIA will adjust the load tests. As I've discussed here and on twitter in the past a serious area of development for teams now is aero-elasticity. Being able to manipulate the Front Wing under aero load can offer significant benefits and so teams will continue to chase development in this area. The FIA may be best placed to also look at the adoption of further deflection/load tests to other regions (ie Nosecone, Wing Pylons etc) as these too are areas the teams will use in order to further impact the rotation, flex, pitch etc of the Front Wing.

There is an increase in minimum weight to compensate for an increase in tyre weight for 2013 - As I looked at in my previous article: http://somersf1.co.u...yre-brazil.html the Pirelli test tyres used at Interlagos had a new construction. Due to the change of construction for the 2013 tyres the weight per tyre has been raised by 1KG. The overall minimum weight therefore has been adjusted to accommodate this.

Deletion of the ‘force majeure’ allowance when a car stops on the track in qualifying. The FIA will determine how much fuel the car would have used to get back to the pits and add it to the one litre sample minimum. - Several instances have occurred where teams have opted to stop their driver/car out on circuit due to an irregularity with fuel claiming that further damage could have been incurred to the engine/powertrain had they continued. This tactic was most recently adopted by Red Bull at Abu Dhabi who stopped Sebastian Vettel on his in lap after qualifying. In the case of Sebastian the car didn't give up enough fuel (0.850) to make the required sample anyway. However in the future teams could stop a car out on track without the need to veil the stoppage as an engine problem. Without further regulatory adjustments this in my opinion leaves the minimum sample rule up for abuse. For example if a team realises early enough they can make the necessary adjustments to the engine map / revs / driver gearing etc in order to manipulate the calculations the FIA may use in order to ascertain how much fuel it would take to recover to the pits.

All chassis will now have higher static loads applied to them (formerly only one chassis was tested to the higher loads with subsequent chassis being tested to 20% lower proof loads) &

Minor changes have been made to the front roll structure design. - In order to further assist the development of safety precautions in the sport it would be irresponsible of the FIA not to change area's of the cars structure/design to reduce the chance of incident.

 

2013 F1 Sporting Regulations

 

For safety reasons, use of the DRS during practice [inc Qualifying] will now only be allowed in the place(s) it will be used on the track in the race - Many teams have been skewing their DRS delta to allow their drivers to use DRS out of (or indeed even during) corners to further reduce drag. The FIA have decided that this is unacceptable in terms of safety and decided that only the standard DRS zone(s) will allow DRS usage throughout the whole GP weekend. The FIA have stated they will however have 2 DRS zones at most GP's throughout 2013.

The team personnel curfew will be extended from six to eight hours on Thursday night and only two exceptions will be allowed during a season (formerly four) - In order to help teams with the processes involved in preparing the cars for the GP the curfew has been extended. This allows for genuine preparatory work to be completed by the teams and so the FIA have also reduced the amount of exceptions available to the teams.

2014 F1 Technical Regulations

 

A new draft with numerous changes was discussed and agreed by the F1 Technical Working Group and Powertrain Working Group -

The requirement for cars to be driven exclusively under electric power in the pit lane has been postponed until 2017 - The electric pitlane rule has been debated ever since it was placed within the original '14' regulations with general consensus being it wouldn't make the final 2014 draft. The largest barrier that's faced by electric pitlane usage is noise, although a car powered only by electricity will still make noise it would be almost silent when compared to a contemporary F1 car. This brings into question the safety of team personnel with the car traveling at 100kph and producing little noise it is easy to see how someone could be injured.

A number of changes have been made to the power unit regulations with the aim of limiting technology in some areas in order to reduce development costs. - As no specifics have been given here all one can assume is that strides could/can be made in the implementation of ERS that would add large financial burdens on the manufacturer who hasn't initially included them in their design. The other area that could allow costs to spiral is the materials used, although the type of materials available is already restrained they do allow for a more exotic exploitation of materials with modern techniques.

Changes made to bodywork design, originally aimed at reducing downforce and drag for increased efficiency, have reverted to 2012 specification - Changes in aero for 2014 were looking to return the Formula to a lower slung Nosecone, Narrower Front Wing (150mm) and the loss of the Beam Wing at the rear of the car. Personally I was looking forward to seeing the challenges faced by the designers as they looked to recoup the loss of the Beam Wing at the rear and the challenge of redesigning the Front end when catering for an ever changing tyre offered by Pirelli. The leading teams (at least) have already made effort to understand the new regulations having tasked some of their workforce to understand/design 2014 cars based on the regulations already set out. It could be argued that the lead teams in a move to steal a march on their counterparts may have poured resources into 2014 but diminished both their 2012/13 campaigns to do so. Ferrari for instance openly admitted at the start of the 2012 season that they had 3 programmes working inline (2012/13/14) which would stretch their resources. The teams have openly admitted that with the 2014 Engines having to also understand new aero rules would stretch the teams financially. I would argue that with the development stages already in swing for the top teams financially they are already handicapped. Add to that, that in 2014 the aero ruleset will have been in place for 5 years and so finding tiny margins becomes an extremely expensive exercise.

The minimum weight limit has been raised to compensate for additional power unit weight - This will have been a decision made by the TWG/PWG/FIA based on information given to them by the engine manufacturers who have already stated that the weight targets set out for the new engines were un-reachable.

Edited by The King of Spa

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Bernie Ecclestone says Formula One must remain entertaining to be successful.

The F1 group boss said there is “nothing” he would change about the sport at present: “We have to understand that we are in the entertainment business and this year we have entertained.

“All sports today are show business and it gets dangerous for a sport if people start to forget that.”

Speaking to the official Formula One website Ecclestone said he expects to keep adding new events to the calendar in the near future: “I suppose the next big thing will be Russia. Then we have to get this New York thing picking up again.

“There’s lots of unfinished business – no time to waste one thought on retirement! Look at the Austin race: it was phenomenal. Everybody agreed that it is great that Formula One is back in the States. Maybe we’ll get the Europeans to wake up instead of thinking that [a race] is a God-given thing. When Europeans perform and do their job we are happy to stay.”

Ecclestone, 82, played down speculation he might step aside from his role as CEO of the Formula One Group despite recent criticism from Ferrari president Luca di Montezemolo:

“I am – still – a fan of Formula One,” he said. “Probably the bad thing with me is that I put in lots of effort to build Formula One the way it is now, so this is my baby and I want to look after it.

“Sooner or later we’re going to have to get a babysitter. When that will be, who knows? I am in very good shape.”

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Non so se per caso qualcuno ha già fatto il giochino del confronto della classifica 2012 in base ai diversi tipi di punteggio (sperando di non aver fatto errori).

 

Reale 1 Vettel 281 2 Alonso 278 3 Raikkonen 207 4 Hamilton 190 5 Button 188 6 Webber 179 7 Massa 122 8 Grosjean 96 9 Rosberg 93 10 Perez 66 11 Hulkenberg 63 12 Kobayashi 60 13 Schumacher 49 14 Di Resta 46 15 Maldonado 45 16 Senna 31 17 Vergne 16 18 Ricciardo 10 1 Red Bull 460 2 Ferrari 400 3 Mc Laren 378 4 Lotus 303 5 Mercedes 142 6 Sauber 126 7 Force India 109 8 Williams 76 9 Toro Rosso 26

Punteggio 2003/2009 1 Alonso 114 2 Vettel 113 3 Raikkonen 82 4 Button 76 5 Webber 71 6 Hamilton 70 7 Massa 44 8 Grosjean 42 9 Rosberg 36 10 Perez 26 11 Kobayashi 25 12 Hulkenberg 21 13 Schumacher 19 14 Maldonado 16 15 Di Resta 15 16 Senna 6 17 Vergne 4 1 Red Bull 184 2 Ferrari 158 3 Mc Laren 146 4 Lotus 124 5 Mercedes 55 6 Sauber 51 7 Force India 36 8 Williams 22 9 Toro Rosso 4

Punteggio fino 2002 1 Vettel 89 2 Alonso 86 3 Button 59 4 Hamilton 57 5 Raikkonen 51 6 Webber 49 7 Massa 25 8 Rosberg 22 9 Grosjean 22 10 Perez 17 11 Kobayashi 13 12 Maldonado 12 13 Hulkenberg 8 14 Schumacher 5 15 Di Resta 4 16 Senna 1 1 Red Bull 138 2 Mc Laren 116 3 Ferrari 111 4 Lotus 73 5 Sauber 30 6 Mercedes 27 7 Williams 13 8 Force India 12

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Mancano solo 59 giorni 18 ore e 22 minuti ai prossimi test :asd:

 

scusate il rincoglionimento, ma se i primi test cominciano il 5 febbraio vuol dire che alcune scuderie presenteranno le vetture prima del solito o sono io che ricordo male?

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Sì, la Mercedes è addirittura già pronta e funzionante, Hamilton l'ha provata in gran segreto :D

Scherzi a parte, di solito già a inizio Gennaio si vede qualche vettura, altri aspettano le prime giornate di test

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Sì, la Mercedes è addirittura già pronta e funzionante, Hamilton l'ha provata in gran segreto :D

Scherzi a parte, di solito già a inizio Gennaio si vede qualche vettura, altri aspettano le prime giornate di test

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Non so se per caso qualcuno ha già fatto il giochino del confronto della classifica 2012 in base ai diversi tipi di punteggio (sperando di non aver fatto errori).

 

Reale 1 Vettel 281 2 Alonso 278 3 Raikkonen 207 4 Hamilton 190 5 Button 188 6 Webber 179 7 Massa 122 8 Grosjean 96 9 Rosberg 93 10 Perez 66 11 Hulkenberg 63 12 Kobayashi 60 13 Schumacher 49 14 Di Resta 46 15 Maldonado 45 16 Senna 31 17 Vergne 16 18 Ricciardo 10 1 Red Bull 460 2 Ferrari 400 3 Mc Laren 378 4 Lotus 303 5 Mercedes 142 6 Sauber 126 7 Force India 109 8 Williams 76 9 Toro Rosso 26

Punteggio 2003/2009 1 Alonso 114 2 Vettel 113 3 Raikkonen 82 4 Button 76 5 Webber 71 6 Hamilton 70 7 Massa 44 8 Grosjean 42 9 Rosberg 36 10 Perez 26 11 Kobayashi 25 12 Hulkenberg 21 13 Schumacher 19 14 Maldonado 16 15 Di Resta 15 16 Senna 6 17 Vergne 4 1 Red Bull 184 2 Ferrari 158 3 Mc Laren 146 4 Lotus 124 5 Mercedes 55 6 Sauber 51 7 Force India 36 8 Williams 22 9 Toro Rosso 4

Punteggio fino 2002 1 Vettel 89 2 Alonso 86 3 Button 59 4 Hamilton 57 5 Raikkonen 51 6 Webber 49 7 Massa 25 8 Rosberg 22 9 Grosjean 22 10 Perez 17 11 Kobayashi 13 12 Maldonado 12 13 Hulkenberg 8 14 Schumacher 5 15 Di Resta 4 16 Senna 1 1 Red Bull 138 2 Mc Laren 116 3 Ferrari 111 4 Lotus 73 5 Sauber 30 6 Mercedes 27 7 Williams 13 8 Force India 12

 

Ecco il punteggio migliore, anche se sono stupito di vedere Button davanti ad Hamilton

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Sì, la Mercedes è addirittura già pronta e funzionante, Hamilton l'ha provata in gran segreto :D

Scherzi a parte, di solito già a inizio Gennaio si vede qualche vettura, altri aspettano le prime giornate di test

Può essere che alcune vetture le vedremo direttamente ai test,come accadde lo scorso anno con la defunta HRT(se non ricordo male).

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Bernie Ecclestone says Formula One must remain entertaining to be successful.

The F1 group boss said there is “nothing” he would change about the sport at present: “We have to understand that we are in the entertainment business and this year we have entertained.

“All sports today are show business and it gets dangerous for a sport if people start to forget that.”

Speaking to the official Formula One website Ecclestone said he expects to keep adding new events to the calendar in the near future: “I suppose the next big thing will be Russia. Then we have to get this New York thing picking up again.

“There’s lots of unfinished business – no time to waste one thought on retirement! Look at the Austin race: it was phenomenal. Everybody agreed that it is great that Formula One is back in the States. Maybe we’ll get the Europeans to wake up instead of thinking that [a race] is a God-given thing. When Europeans perform and do their job we are happy to stay.”

Ecclestone, 82, played down speculation he might step aside from his role as CEO of the Formula One Group despite recent criticism from Ferrari president Luca di Montezemolo:

“I am – still – a fan of Formula One,” he said. “Probably the bad thing with me is that I put in lots of effort to build Formula One the way it is now, so this is my baby and I want to look after it.

“Sooner or later we’re going to have to get a babysitter. When that will be, who knows? I am in very good shape.”

 

Ci salvano solo le improvvisazioni.

 

Non so se per caso qualcuno ha già fatto il giochino del confronto della classifica 2012 in base ai diversi tipi di punteggio (sperando di non aver fatto errori).

 

Reale 1 Vettel 281 2 Alonso 278 3 Raikkonen 207 4 Hamilton 190 5 Button 188 6 Webber 179 7 Massa 122 8 Grosjean 96 9 Rosberg 93 10 Perez 66 11 Hulkenberg 63 12 Kobayashi 60 13 Schumacher 49 14 Di Resta 46 15 Maldonado 45 16 Senna 31 17 Vergne 16 18 Ricciardo 10 1 Red Bull 460 2 Ferrari 400 3 Mc Laren 378 4 Lotus 303 5 Mercedes 142 6 Sauber 126 7 Force India 109 8 Williams 76 9 Toro Rosso 26

Punteggio 2003/2009 1 Alonso 114 2 Vettel 113 3 Raikkonen 82 4 Button 76 5 Webber 71 6 Hamilton 70 7 Massa 44 8 Grosjean 42 9 Rosberg 36 10 Perez 26 11 Kobayashi 25 12 Hulkenberg 21 13 Schumacher 19 14 Maldonado 16 15 Di Resta 15 16 Senna 6 17 Vergne 4 1 Red Bull 184 2 Ferrari 158 3 Mc Laren 146 4 Lotus 124 5 Mercedes 55 6 Sauber 51 7 Force India 36 8 Williams 22 9 Toro Rosso 4

Punteggio fino 2002 1 Vettel 89 2 Alonso 86 3 Button 59 4 Hamilton 57 5 Raikkonen 51 6 Webber 49 7 Massa 25 8 Rosberg 22 9 Grosjean 22 10 Perez 17 11 Kobayashi 13 12 Maldonado 12 13 Hulkenberg 8 14 Schumacher 5 15 Di Resta 4 16 Senna 1 1 Red Bull 138 2 Mc Laren 116 3 Ferrari 111 4 Lotus 73 5 Sauber 30 6 Mercedes 27 7 Williams 13 8 Force India 12

 

Nella seconda Vettel avrebbe 115 punti credo.

Preferisco il terzo punteggio come lucaf.

Edited by The King of Spa

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